
Good morning everybody, I wanted to talk about this topic for sometime now. why this topic is important? because its the institution that produced us .. and will produce the next generation, and so on ..
when the family is a healthy environment, the products of it is as well healthy. here, i'd like to present my philosophy of families .. and how things going, and how it should go ..
plus, i'd love to hear of what you think friends,
first of all, marriages can be classified into to types according to the initiating method ..
1. The Classical (conventional) Type: where mothers and sister and females in the family visit another family and check out the bride-to-be,then, after the approval of the initial (examination) the groom-to-be comes to check too, now a days, its allowed for both to set for one or two short sessions far from the group to "get to know each other", and of course after the approval of both sides, they cultural ways take over with remaining procedure steps.
2. The Relationship-Based Type: where the male and female meet somewhere (work, uni, neighborhood, on-line) and start talking to each other on daily bases, communicate and get to know each other, of course with the available methods of communication (phone, internet) things got easier in this part. after some time spent with each other, usually, there is going-out dates, and experiencing adventures with each other, and when the two side agree that this partnership between them is doing well, and think it will last, the male introduce himself to the female's family, and present his request to marry her. and the cultural ways take over once more.
well, my heart goes with the second type, why?
its obvious, in the second type, both parties will have the chance to know each other much much more, and this will provide a raw ground for a much healthier family, in the second type you'll have much more experience with other side, you'll know how to deal with issues and how to fix problems that normally rise through the course of marriage life.
for argument sake, one will say:
A. why to fix what's not broken? the conventional way is doing just fine for our society?
actually, its broken, i've noticed how females these days look to conventional marriages, a totally negative view. this came (as i think) from the high education the females is getting these days, not the school/uni education only, the openness to the world through media and internet also, and the cultural changes happened in our society in the past 25 years or so.
girls aren't the weak suppressed abused humans they used to be in the old days, they've grown characters and charisma high functional brain, and this give them the chance to make decisions and think of themselves as they should be. (this a very long topic i might discuss in more detailed way later).
B. love stories and relationships are all just bullshit, its a pinky world for the females, and its a way for males and females to fool around and use the other said for their own gains.
true, when u abuse the privilege of forming a relationship with the opposite sex. and that comes as i think from two factors. (1) the human nature, and that we can't help with (some people are just the abusing type). (2) the half understanding of the concept of the relationship (aka love story). i.e. society prevents it, youngsters feels its thrilling and rebellion-sh to make one, without understanding the true goal or where it should go, (i'm not defending the western societies, they go into relationships for sexual gain mainly, but i can't judge it, their culture and society allows it). the second factor can be fixed by educating the youngster more about the concept or relationships and how you can form an aim-ful respectful one.
C. Do you feel ok if your sister/s make relationships? (its an irrelevant question though)
the way people with no perspective and opinion will react on such post, and sadly we've got a lot of them between us. my answer will be YES, when she decided to so, i won't mind, in fact i'll encourge it, she is a female with good brains, she can decided for herself, and i'd love to answer all of her questions about the opposite sex, and would love to meet the guy she is talking with, in the early stages, to protect her and discuses with her things she might didn't put much attention into.
D. Relationships are "Haram" in Islam and our society and religion prevents its.
well, here comes the tightly religious people, with those the argument would last for hours.
I'm a Muslim, and thankful to god to be. the first verse Holy Qur'an was (Iqra' = read), from this i conclude one thing, Islam is the religion of brain, I need to think things through, I don't need to follow some (shaikh) blindly. i can't believe any (shaikh) without thinking of what he says thoroughly. regarding the topic I'm talking about here, respectful relationships includes public places, phone calls, and if u don't want all of that, u can simply move to the chatting zone, its free of (ekhtilat) and it can be useful.
please friends, your opinion is very much appreciated..
and wait for my next post, Marriages .. (Part II) in the near future.
بعد التجربة
ReplyDeleteوسماع تجارب الناس اللي حواليّ
ما بتقدر تعرف شريكك\شريكتك بالحياة الا بعد الزواج
لأنه في الغالب , الطرفين بحاولوا يبينوا احسن ما فيهم خلال الخطبة - الا من رحم ربي
وكمان بالخطبة , ما بشوفوا بعض فترة كافية , يعني ما بقضّوا يوم كامل مثلا بوجوه بعض
فا سواء كان زواج تقليدي او عن "حب وتجربة والخ الخ" ما راح يبين مع الواحد شو طبيعة الطرف الثاني الا بعد الزواج
هسه كلمة "يبين طبيعة الطرف الثاني" مش معناها انه راح يبين وجهه الاخر الشرير او السيّء , معناها انه راح تبين شغلات ما كانت ظاهرة خلال الخطبة
طبعا هاي وجهة نظري بتحتمل الصح والخطأ
Dear Lunar
ReplyDeleteyour opinion is pretty much appreciated and respected.
although, i'm still not convinced, i have my own experience my post was based on, simply, in the long term relationships, lets say a year or more, and while communicating with the partner, u'll face lots and lots of ups and downs, those will expose the partner and his inner thoughts more .. now the engagement period in the classical marriage was meant to replace the relationship period, but, and as u mentioned, it became a period of acting, in most cases it isn't real anymore ..
thanx for passing by my friend, and i know how long the post was, so i do appreciate the gesture of reading it until the end. :)
فا سواء كان زواج تقليدي او عن "حب وتجربة والخ الخ" ما راح يبين مع الواحد شو طبيعة الطرف الثاني الا بعد الزواج
ReplyDeleteI agree with abu zaina on this one,no matter how much you know someone living with them is different.
welcome Rain
ReplyDeletesadly you and abu zaina missed the point ..
i'm not saying that relationships are the ultimate solution, of course partners living together is a totally different story ..
what i'm saying here, that :
for current timing, current level of thinking on male and female sides, relationships, provides a better understanding for the partner,
its not the ultimate solution, coz in such things there is no ultimate solution ..
thnx for passing by, and reading this long long post :)
Interesting post
ReplyDeleteMe too I hate the first type yet I'm not with the 2nd type
I agree with u that females these days hate the first type u mentioned above , it's nearly like selling a product , what I hate most when a groom send his mother for the first "checkup" and waiting for her approval to start his part
I liked the part when you said that you want your sister to come and ask you about relations, for me I'm lucky to have such a wonderful brother who helped me a lot during my university days in understanding every thing and every move guys used to do at that time
What I have in mind for now is how to distinguish between who abuse the other part trust in the relation ??? u can't deny that we heard a lot of hearts broken stories about that
hmmmm, interesting post
ReplyDeletePersonally, I try my best to have a certain level of open-mindedness regarding this issue...
you can't say the first type is broken because its still working and some still find their partners that way.. no matter how some find it degrading.. others don't. and find the second type inappropriate.. ya3ne one must look through all perspectives
The second type is more romantic and girls find it more considerate and would be a good exam to see if the man is actually interested in her, and she finds him interesting too... It kind of breaks the ice and they both have some time to get to know each other... even if its just a bunch of "lies" or reality-beautifying lines
personally, still confused about the whole never-ending marriage discussion issue but I'd rather get to have a prior knowledge of whomever I'm going to marry... but i must say: each couple is different.. you can't generalize one way or the other and call it universal.
Welcome whisper
ReplyDeletethnx, and allah y5alelek e5wanik kollhom .. :)
sadly, you can't know for sure "the abuse", although sometimes its obvious, anyway, my theory here goes like this:
wish a relationship, you are not giving a lot, your heart and some of your time, in comparison with a marriage in which you are giving it all, and its a big thing to gamble with ..
yet, with a relationship, its not a full commitment, when things aren't working out you'll wake away, but with marriages u'll have to work harder to make it work out, u'll have to give big compromises, i.e. you'll try harder, and u'll not break it until you absolutely sure its not gonna work out, and its the ultimate breaking story any human can have.
still, i'm not giving solutions, i'm just throwing ideas here :)
Aseel
ReplyDeletei admire your way of thinking, it's as you said, not a simple issue, but a very complicated one, and for each person or couple, things work out differently.
yet, those are the cases i could've think of, i would love to hear more ways to find the partner, it might give us a solution to this complex situation we live in.
on a side note: the relationship type is a bit stretchy, it doesn't have to be a full (love) relationship to be categorized under this type, a simple friendship, or an interaction on daily bases can be considered a relationship.
thanx for passing ny aseel, your input is very much appreciated .. :)
Interesting post!
ReplyDeleteهلا الجد
اولا انا ما كان يعجبني لما الشب يبعت الوالده لتعمل فحص اولي لكن كان في شباب بيعمل ع مراقبة البنت من بعيد لبعيد ويرعاها أهاليهم بعد فترة وكانت الام تيجي تحكي انا مش جابه اشوف العروس انا جابه اسأل متى الشب بيقدر ييجي وانا كنت احب هاد اكتر من سوق الخضرة !
هلا النوع التاني
انا لا أثق فيه بتاتا لانه حتى العلاقات اللي ناتجه عن حب او معرفه مسبقه بين الطرفين تختلف عند الانتقال والعيش معا لهيك يتشوق انه في الغرب قبل الزواج ليعيشوا مع بعض فترة قبل الزواج (انا لا ادعوا لمثل هذا بس مجرد مثال)
لان الحياة معا ٢٤ ساعه تعطيك صورة لما تحب وتكره ولهيك كحل للحاله الموجوده عنا انا ارى انه على الطرفين تقبل فكرة ما في شخص كامل هاد اولا والأمر الثاني هو أخذ السنه الاولى من الزواج كفترة خطبه وتعارف داخل البيت بحيث تكون ابواب النقاش مفتوحه ومحاولات التقبل مقبوله مع تفهم كل من الطرفين انه الاهل لازم يكونوا بره الصورة لانه احيانا نصائح الاهل تاخذ منحنى خطا في العلاقة
عدا عن هيك رائع ان نرى تغير تفكير الشباب ومحاولاتهم لتقبل وتغيير وضع اجتماعي قائم!
@sozan
ReplyDeletethanx :)
أولاً أهلا وسهلا فيكي :)
ثانياً .. الصورة الاولى .. مش مريحة أبداً ..
وأنا شخصياً ما بقبل أنه زوجتي المستقبلية تنحط بهيك موقف ..
وتظل حاسة حالها طول عمرها انشرت مشترى .. مش تزوجت ..
فكرتك اللي طرحتيها .. إنه يراقب وهيك مقبولة ..
بس خليكي معي شوي ..
عريف العلاقة المنتشر في مجتمهنا .. شوي مغلوط .. وما بعتقد العلاقات اللي بتندرج تحت هالتعريف ذات نتيجة جيدة ..
العلاقة اللي بحكي عنها ..
اشي اكثر نضوجاً ..
التقاء بطريقة محترمة .. ضمن حدود الحياء والأدب .. هدفها التقرب من الطرف الآخر فكرياً .. ومحاولة لدراسة طباعة ..
من رأيي إنه هيك علاقة - بصبغة النضوج - ممكن تقلل الفجوة بين الاثنين .. وتعرفهم على طباع بعض ..
وبالمناسبة .. مش شرط تكزن علاقة فيها طلعة كل يوم .. ومشاوير وما بعرف شو ..
يعني اي وسيلة من وسائل الاتصال .. ممكن تحل الاشكال وتعطينا نتنائج مقبولة ..
طبيعي .. التفهم واستيعاب قدرات ومواصفات الآخر مفتاح الارتباط الناجح ..